Backlog Thraben Charm not required to choose Flagbearer as target when it's a legal target

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Dyakuba

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I have two Standard Bearers in play. Opponent first casts a Journey to Nowhere targeting my Gemhide Sliver. As far I know, this is the expected behavior. Next, they cast a Thraben Charm targeting my Sidewinder Sliver. Shouldn't Thraben Charm be required to target one of the two Flagbearer creatures under my control? Unfortunately, I do not have a Game ID, but I do have a screen shot (see attached).

Unfortunately, I did not think to grab the Game ID while taking the screenshot, but did at least take a screenshot.

https://imgur.com/agtxlsX
 
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pelado_

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Found the same bug.

Game # 897133698

Here's a print of the moment I was able to target the other creature, even thought I couldn't according to the rules:
https://imgur.com/d1YkP5J

Here's a video of the moment I was able to target the other creature:
 
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floyza

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When Psychic Puppetry is spliced onto another arcane spell, that spell is able to target any permanent, not just the flagbearer.
The splice is applied during 601.2b, after which targets are declared in 601.2c , where "If any effects say that an object or player must be chosen as a target, the player chooses targets so that they obey the maximum possible number of such effects without violating any rules or effects that say that an object or player can't be chosen as a target." Also according to 702.47d, about splicing: "Choose targets for the added text normally (see rule 601.2c)." So it's clear that this behavior is incorrect.
 

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Firedrake

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A simple search on Flagbearer will show this is a Confirmed bug, and on the Backlog to be fixed. You might want to Upvote those threads to try to move the fix "up the ladder."
 
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floyza

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Firedrake said:
A simple search on Flagbearer will show this is a Confirmed bug, and on the Backlog to be fixed. You might want to Upvote those threads to try to move the fix "up the ladder."
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I guess you're referring to the thraben charm bug report? It's similar enough, I suppose, they probably share the same underlying cause.
 
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Firedrake

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Yeah, there were two of them. One had 2 Upvotes yesterday and the other had 3. Today that one has 4 Upvotes. I'll presume it was yours? ;)
But at least it's known, and on the list. But I've seen some backlogged bugs with 17+ Upvotes still waiting to be fixed, so Flagbearers is pretty far down that list.
But it's on it!
 
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elflaco

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Just lost a league match to high tide because I sided in 2 standard bearers and they ignored it and combo-ed off on me.
 
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