Not A Bug Issues with Patron of the Nezumi

[LoneCubone]

Patron of the Nezumi's "Whenever a permanent is put into an opponent's graveyard, that player loses 1 life" ability is not triggering when permanents are milled as seen in game 900193932 on Shadowsphere's turn 6 or when permanents are discarded as seen in game 900184224 on my turn 8. Permanents entering the graveyard from play still trigger the ability as normal as seen in both games.

 

[Firedrake]

Is there a difference between a permanent (i.e., a card on the battlefield), and a permanent card (a card not yet in play)? E.g., Tergrid, God of Fright reads, "Whenever an opponent sacrifices a nontoken permanent or discards a permanent card..."

Just wondering.

 

[LoneCubone]

Is there a difference between a permanent (i.e., a card on the battlefield), and a permanent card (a card not yet in play)? E.g., Tergrid, God of Fright reads, "Whenever an opponent sacrifices a nontoken permanent or discards a permanent card..."

Just wondering.

Ah that's it. For it to trigger off mill or discard it would have to read "Whenever a permanent card is put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, that player loses 1 life" for it to work as I thought it would. I didn't see this clarification when looking through the oracle text so I had assumed it was a bug. Permanents only seem to exist on the battlefield and everywhere else it is referred to as a card. My bad.

 

[Torbin]

Per QA Team:
Tag applied: Not A Bug

Patron of the Nezumi's ability refers specifically to permanents. Permanents are spells that have been put on the battlefield, before they are, they are permanent cards or permanent spells. So milling cards that are permanent spells from the library does not count as being a permanent being sent to the graveyard.

The relevant ruling is not actually found in the Mill section of the comprehensive rules, but in the permanent types.

110.4. There are five permanent types: artifact, creature, enchantment, land, and planeswalker. Instant and sorcery cards can't enter the battlefield and thus can't be permanents. Some tribal cards can enter the battlefield and some can't, depending on their other card types. See section 3, "Card Types."

110.4a. The term "permanent card" is used to refer to a card that could be put onto the battlefield. Specifically, it means an artifact, creature, enchantment, land, or planeswalker card.

110.4b. The term "permanent spell" is used to refer to a spell that will enter the battlefield as a permanent as part of its resolution. Specifically, it means an artifact, creature, enchantment, or planeswalker spell.