Not A Bug Flip Walkers mana value

ProR2D2

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Creatures that Flip into Planewalkers don't change their mana value to 0.
example: Casting Culling ritual won't destroy planeswalker form of Liliana, Heretical Healer.
 

keeperx

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Creatures that Flip into Planewalkers don't change their mana value to 0.
example: Casting Culling ritual won't destroy planeswalker form of Liliana, Heretical Healer.
This is correct. Liliana, Heretical Healer's Mana value is 3, since it's the back face of a transforming double faced card.

202.3b: The mana value of a transforming double-faced permanent or spell's back face is calculated as though it had the mana cost of its front face. If a permanent or spell is a copy of the back face of a transforming double-faced card (even if the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the mana value of the copy is 0.
 

ProR2D2

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This is correct. Liliana, Heretical Healer's Mana value is 3, since it's the back face of a transforming double faced card.

202.3b: The mana value of a transforming double-faced permanent or spell's back face is calculated as though it had the mana cost of its front face. If a permanent or spell is a copy of the back face of a transforming double-faced card (even if the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the mana value of the copy is 0.
They changed it? Oh ok I didn't know that. Thanks. I was looking at this rule from gatherer:
"The back face of a double-faced card doesn't have a mana cost. A double-faced permanent with its back face up has a mana value equal to the mana value of its front face."
Kinda confusing rule since I still don't understand the difference between mana cost and mana value.
 
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